To the Founding Fathers of TwitCraft, and all Moderators

[Warriorbox Profile]

This Post is directed to All Moderators and Administrators of Twitcraft, past and present, active or inactive. It is directed solely to them, and I would be grateful if only they would reply to it and comment on it. To all other members of the community, please hold back from this one, you will see why.

To the Moderators.

You will, as conscientious and interested Moderators and 'Owners' of TwitCraft, have seen the many threads voicing the players' concerns about where Twitcraft will go after the 1.7 Update. You will have smiled, frowned and been amused at our ideas and our 'Wish Lists' and you will have seen that we have come to No Firm Consensus.

I wish to know now, we having arrived at this impasse, what you feel, think, believe, want, don't want, and can or can't achieve.

I am asking you, each of you, and all of you, to voice your thoughts and to tell us what you think is possible, advisable, and achievable.

If you want nothing more to do with Twitcraft because you think it's time is past...tell us that. If you think it still has good strong legs and can benefit from a shake-up, tell us that. If you cant care less, tell us that. If you think that such-and-such would be the best way forward, tell us that. If you think so-and-so is impossible and wont work, tell us that.


We will not respond or comment ... Players take note! until you have all responded, or until TWO WEEKS have elapsed from the date of this post, to give you all, separately, and uniquely, the chance to state openly and honestly, where you think TwitCraft should go, where it CAN go, where it CAN'T go, and how we can expect you to act when the time comes.

You have the power to make things happen here, and we can only go with your decision, not matter how fervently we all wish for this thing or that thing, only YOU can make it happen.

Please... I am asking you, as a relatively new player but one who is very eager to continue with Twitcraft, in whatever form... Please tell us what we can expect, from you and with your help.

Please reply sometime within the next two weeks. If you think some other moderator has not seen this post, please let them know and ask them to respond.


Thank you.

[ipodparf Profile]

What I Feel: Mixed emotions. I'm happy that people care about the server. I'm sad that people are angry with each other because they don't agree with each other about their ideas (I know being angry at people over things like this is bound to happen, but as a moderator, seeing the community you moderate be angry always makes you sad). I'm upset that people have said things like "I'd love to reset if I get to keep my house." or "Can we transfer over my project I worked on?". The discussion tends to focus on personal projects and not what is best for the community. I'm saddened that players think about a survival reset with such a selfish attitude.

What I Think/Believe: That the only options that are reasonable are to either A) Expand the border and make either a portal or Stargate (Yay Stargates!) out to the new chunks. Or B) Start fresh on a new map with NOTHING being transferred over. Option A has the benefit of allowing people to choose what they want to do. They can either start fresh, build a new home, or just ignore the new stuff all together. Option B is nice because it would be a new palate to work with, and allow things like multiple cities to be instated without hassle.

What I Want: People to at least come to an agreement about whether or not to stay on the current map or not. I would rather the moderators not make the decision for the players.

What I Don't Want: People to be able to transfer ANYTHING to a new world. Every option people have come up with has either had a layer of "We must trust players not to cheat" or "Only builds deemed worthy can be transferred". Knowing the players on TWiTCraft, they are a smart bunch of people. Even if we delete all the chests in the house, like people have mentioned, people will still hide things elsewhere. If we only transfer over builds that people deem to be worthy of such honors, it makes everyone else feel like crap.

What We Can Achieve: Upgrading to 1.7 with whatever plan we choose to use to the best of our ability.

What We Can't Achieve: Having both the selfless and selfish people be happy after the update. It will only be one or the other.

[EDIT]

I forgot to add something which I've been wanting to explain for awhile. People always wonder why I want a full reset/why I'm fine with dumping everything I've put effort into for a fresh start. I've been playing Minecraft since October of 2010. Over the years, I've had around 10 survival worlds, played on a handful of servers, all of them going through at least 1 map change (minus TWiTCraft), and played a bunch of custom maps, such as the Super Hostile maps. I'm sure to some people it sounds like I'm saying "I have more experience than you, so I know what's right" or "Look at me, I've played so much and done so much! Look at me me me!", but what I want people to know is that I come from a background of starting and restarting a lot. The idea of completely wiping out everything I've worked on isn't only something I learned to deal with, I actually look forward to it. However, I know that for either newer players, or people who don't get as easily bored with worlds as myself, the idea of starting fresh sounds terrible. I personally think that TWiTCraft has needed a map reset for awhile. Each update that TWiTCraft goes through allows for some type of exploit to be, well, exploited. While most exploits were fairly small (Like being able to dupe signs by placing them on a cactus), some were game breaking (Like the one that caused Timber's store the become heavily flooded with Beacons/Wither Skulls). These exploits build up over time, and they cause the survival world to become wonky over time. If you take a look at the survival world, we have water in the nether, Timber can build a house out of beacons, there are still doublechests of diamonds in our world, people still have items which are infinite if you use the proper equipment, people have bedrock blocks, etc. While I do agree that these types of things gives TWiTCraft a bit of charm, it still doesn't take away from the fact that to a new player, these types of things look highly strange, and probably slightly off putting. A fresh start would aid in fixing these gains from said exploits.

TL:DR I am in favor of a reset because I've gone through many of them and survived, and our world has a lot of ill gained goods from past exploits.

[blendermf]

What I personally would like is somehow for the community to come to an agreement, but that seems to be hard. And I say this mostly because at this point, at least for something this major, I want it to be what the community as a whole wants/is okay with for the most part. I know that a lot of suggestions have just been left dormant. Some because they weren't great for us technically or on a management level, or just because some of us thought they were bad ideas, some of it is also just because we have a group maybe haven't been as active in discussing change as mods. We were also kind of bad at community our reasons for a while. A lot of those ideas may have went through skype chats, but we may not have explained a lot of it. We're trying to change that, although we haven't totally got that going yet. We really just need to start scheduling some things so that it starts happening.

As for what I think is best, I want a complete reset. I think it could bring life back in to the server. My problem is that I don't have giant builds or anything that I feel a ton of attachment too that I "NEED" to keep my self interested, so my views probably don't fit with certain very active portions of the community. I still feel that those people with those builds could potentially let it go, and still enjoy the server, and maybe have more fun with a fresh start, but I can't force my opinions on everyone, and I don't want to. A lot of the ideas to help with this concern are great, but it's become clear that keeping that stuff fair would be impossible, and everyone starting fresh might cause the least problems. As far as having multiple cities and stargates/mv portals and things, regardless of full reset or not, those things are technically feasible, and I think are a good idea to encourage spreading out in a way that's not the pain in the butt.

No matter what we do, there are going to be people not happy, and I wish it didn't have to be so drama filled. I want us to come to an agreement.

IDK what is exactly going to happen, but it would be nice if we got the majority of the community behind something that was fair, and best for the server in the long run, not necessarily for our own builds. That could be hard for a lot of people, and I don't blame them.

[EDIT]
I also realize, I make it sound like the only fair and good option is a complete reset, and I don't necessarily think it's the only one, I just think having a full newly 1.7 generated map would be exciting, and the only fair way to really get that is a full reset. We could extend or whatever, but since you want my personal opinion, I just think dealing with border terrain change issues like that is annoying and potentially ugly barring a lot of work from the community fixing it.

[EDIT 2]
I use the word fair too much here, and don't really explain it very well, and act like it's the sole thing I'm concerned about, check this thread for more clarification http://mc.twit.tv/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=897

[Warriorbox Profile]

Bumping, just to remind you its still here, still only two replies.

[asim0v Profile]

I'm going to be blunt here, so apologies in advance folks.

On this topic I have been unusually silent but for good reasons. At first I just wanted to see the community's thoughts before throwing my ideas into the ring. Then the tone of the discussion shifted at some point and it got kind of toxic. Honestly, I think this very post falls under that latter category.

Just because most of the mods have been silent doesn't mean we aren't listening, and it doesn't mean we aren't talking amongst ourselves. There has, in fact, been more discussion on this topic amongst the mods than any other that I can recall.

The last point I want to make is that all this discussion is still a bit premature. Yes, there needs to be a plan in place. Yes, it is being worked on daily. But we are likely over a month from 1.7 being released and then a couple of weeks before our plugins and server software are updated.

I lied; I want to make one more point. Please, please keep the tone of the discussion civil. I know there is anxiety over the future, but I can assure you it isn't being ignored.

[Warriorbox Profile]

Two weeks over, marking this thread as closed.

[PosterAnonymous Profile]

Two weeks over, marking this thread as closed.

Frustrating, no?

[blendermf]

Two weeks over, marking this thread as closed.

Frustrating, no?

We've been discussing things. It's slowed down a bit due to scheduling.

Hopefully we can let you guys know real soon whats up.

I know it's frustrating, but please bear with us.

[lolcatz223 Profile]

Is there a way to apply for staff

[Timberwolf1777]

Nope. Dont even ask. It will just annoy the mods.